Exactly whose "transitioning"...

[dirtywhiteboi]

[Gynophile]

[free2bme]

[Brenda]

[quote="free2bme"]

[Gynophile]

Oh, this get's richer by the moment........

Here's a person IDing as a "classic/true transsexual" (they have very strict hierarchies) - he's trashing GLB/TGs and autogyno transsexuals. Obviously, this dip doesn't get it that self-respecting lesbians don't want any part of him, either.

He's talking about people like the crew over at places like BF.com, and our resident autogynophile and devotees.

He sure doesn't want anything to do with autogynophiles like, you, Mr. Bred. Guess there's no honor among, ummm, men in dresses.



The GLB’s Sexualization of Transsexualism and Intersexuality

EXCERPTED


Though there may be a few exceptions (there are some who claim they don’t identify as either gender) virtually everyone, even the vast majority of the intersexed, solidly identify as either male or female. The entire universe is subject to singularities and exceptions; I am not addressing those few who don’t identify as either male or female. But, please keep in mind that exceptions are not the rule…just aberrations to the norm. And, don’t even try to go to the “what is normal” argument. I can define normal and know it when I see it…[a true, binary, patriarchist]

Make no mistake about it, homosexuality is all about sex. It’s all about doing the dirty-dirty. Visit the more popular GLB blogs and look for yourself…you know how to find them. The GLB is all about repealing sodomy laws, same-sex marriage, and public displays of affection....

You won’t see posts with an overwhelming theme of sex on the run-of-the-mill straight blogs; you won’t see the the overwhelming theme of sex on the intersex blogs; you won’t see it here on my blog. In the big scheme of things what differentiates homosexuals from those who are not is their sexual orientation…their sexuality…there sexual attraction to others of the same sex; their obsession with sex...

....[T]hough I do think of marriage in a traditional way between a man and a woman, do not support it [gay marriage], and would vote against it, if the GLB succeed in gaining the right to marry my world will not end.....

....[T]hanks largely to the internet and a few out and proud homosexual trans activists, one began to see GLBT more often and the term transgender had grown to include not only transsexuals, but also crossdressers, transvestites and drag queens…and, just a few years after that, the GLB and those same activists had fully succeeded in colonizing classic/true transsexuals along with the others into the GLBT.

.....No one has the right to sexualize me, or any other classic/true transsexual, by placing us under the transgender umbrella which, in turn, is part of the larger GLBT political construct...

... The homosexual trans activist [<~~~ Bred] are part and parcel to the entire rape of our legitimacy and are at least as responsible as the GLB for society’s view of us.

The GLB has sexualized our gender identity, raped our gender status, colonized our support, and spit on our legitimacy.... [you spittin' on people Bred?]

http://tgnonsense.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/the-glbs-sexualization-of-transsexualism-and-intersexuality/



NOTE TO SELF: Contact this dude and tell him about Bred and his devotees at Mich Fest.

[Gynophile]

Admittedly, Post-modernism and it's first cousin, gender "theory", are complicated, dense things to get one's head around.

Gender "theory and post-modernism have given "us" post-feminism without women's rights --- post-racism without an end to racism --- post gay pride without equal rights for gay and lesbians.....

They are morally and politically bankrupt.

They amount to nothing more than feel good, anything goes vulgar individualism. They've drained the L/G Pride Movement of any meaningful politic.

The TG/trans "agenda" perpetuates the issues of race, class, sexist gender constructs and unearned privilege. It's based in the same hegemony from which these things spring.

Post-modernism and gender "theory" have been dictating the course of the LGBTQ "community" since the 1990's.

What have L/Gs got to show for it?

TGs/trans have rights and privileges that L/Gs do not enjoy. Bred can be married to a natal woman - he is.... He can divorce her and marry a natal man, if he wishes. Let's see what happens if we try that in most of the States of the Union. We can't adopt or foster children in some states. Bred can. Why are we carrying Bred's water when so much of what we need to live dignified lives is going unattended to?

Between the HIV/AIDS epidemic and the TG/trans "movement" an entire generation of essential, bedrock L/G work has been left undone. Why? So post-op men can go about their stealth filled lives and never look back to those of us left behind.

What' do we have to show for all that benevolent maternalism? A handful of states with unequal domestic partnership "laws", men in women's bathrooms in Massachusetts?

Shame on "us" ! ! ! !



The issues of race, class, sexist gender constructs and unearned privilege are starting to tear apart the TG/trans "movement" from within.

It was inevitable.

These things can only stay papered over by faux identity "rights" movements for just so long.

The following post offers a glimpse into how that is playing out in the trans "community".

[Gynophile]

Well, well....

Seems a lot of what Dirt, me, and others have been saying about the sexism, racism and unearned privilege in the TG/trans "community" is true.... Imagine that?!?!

And, sistah MINICA is not at all pleased....




EXCERPTED: --- (WWBT = white woman born trans - LOL)


QUOTE:

MINICA: "Over the last several weeks we've had an infestation of WWBT's on various GLBT blogs spouting their selfish, hateful, transphobic and increasingly insulting rhetoric on various GLBT blogs that one by one has gotten the authors banned".... [Transsexuals being "selfish, hateful, transphobic, insulting" ? Say it isn't so ! ! ! !]

I refuse to let a bunch of clueless, exclusionary latte-sipping racists who have no idea about how politics, much less anything else works (and don't care) try to tear down what I have patiently built up here over the last two plus years.

It's not an issue with African-American transpeople. This is only coming from a small, loud argumentative segment of elderly white transwomen. It's an unwelcome blast from the past that is so 90's..... [You been buggin' folks Bred?]

But unfortunately your vitriol has a negative effect on the transgender community in general, and I believe that's your ultimate goal. You WWBT's not only want to make the community look bad, but want to use the Republican strategy of driving wedges into its constituent parts to break it up....." [Damn, seems Minica agrees with Dirt and me.]



Here is "Minica" going after "Sue" -- you know, "Sue", the post-op who is against gay marriage.



SUE: I have heard it from more then a few of my post-transition friends that you and your ilk are making a mockery of the transgender rights cause. This is the very reason people have been leaving the TG movement in droves. [Droves???]

MINICA: Oh really? The one thing that's making a mockery of the transgender rights cause is the inept way that it's been handled for the last ten years by some peeps that share your ethnic background. [PSSST -- Sue thinks Minica is a reverse racist.]

As for your assertion that people are leaving the movement in droves, got any facts to back that statement up? Methinks you're just counting your whiny clueless 'WBT' peeps who have repeatedly demonstrated breathtaking ignorance on a vast array of subjects and the inability to work and play well with others. ["Whiny, clueless", ya think?]

SUE: You don’t seem to understand you have to work with straight middle class men and women if you want to insure progress in transgender rights. You have to play the game by their rules not Barney Frank’s. [That's right, always play by white, straight rules.]

MINICA: This is priceless. White male privilege in action, folks. You are not only discounting and disrespecting my intelligence and abilities, but have the nerve to try to lecture me about how to pass rights legislation when I've been to Capitol Hill, two state legislatures, and recently the Jefferson County school board to do precisely that. [That's right Minica, hit Sue with yer bona fides.]

SUE: One of those rules is there is only two sexes Men and Women fortunately a large part of the transgender community understands that. [Wait, are we talking bio sex, here, or gender? You folks always conflate the two.]

MINICA: Umm, medical science and biology says otherwise. I think our intersex friends would have a bone to pick with you about your narrow assessment as well. Fortunately a larger section of the transgender community and our allies understand that gender is a continuum, and everybody fits somewhere along that line. The only peeps that share your gender = genitalia dogma besides some of your WBT friends are the Religious Right, the Catholic Church and Barney Frank. [If gender IS a continuum, why change your genitals? Genitals those things that are all about bio sex.... Oh, never mind - I'm just gonna get the "voice in my head" lecture....]

http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2008/01/hateraid-from-wbt.html


VINDICATION THOU ART DIRT'S AND MINE ....

[char]

gender is a continuum, and everybody fits somewhere along that line. The only peeps that share your gender = genitalia dogma besides some of your WBT friends are the Religious Right, the Catholic Church and Barney Frank. [If gender IS a continuum, why change your genitals? Genitals those things that are all about bio sex.... Oh, never mind - I'm just gonna get the "voice in my head" lecture....]

This is The Point!!

[Brenda]

At core transsexualism is about being a sex not about gendered behavior. Yes there is a link between sex and gendered behavior but it is more in the form of a bell curve ... than an absolute correlation. That is true for WBW and WBT.

BTW the TG vs TS squabble is because they are different groups with different needs.

- Brenda

[Gynophile]

Leave it to a white man in a dress and grandma shoes to use a raced, Bell Curve analogy.

Mr. Bred why don't you get your mind off your genitals for a split second and join the world of thinking humans.

IT'S ALL ABOUT GENDER CONSTRUCTS otherwise males wouldn't be trying to "pass" as females and using made up terms like wbw or wbt ("woman" speaks to gender). Otherwise, you would call yourselves what you are: transsexuals or transvestites. That's what you really are, after all.

Bred, you don't come across as particularly astute, and you have proven yourself to be dishonest on many, many occasions. But let's try and be a little straight faced about this.... If autogynophiles, like you, were only in it for the sex change, you wouldn't be obsessed with "passing" (you don't "pass", anyway, so why make yourselves crazier?)

If it wasn't about the gender constructs, you'd cut off your junk - skip the "I'm a lady" lessons - and go about your business. You don't do that.... It's all about the gender constructs -- you know it, everyone knows it, you're not kidding anyone, except maybe Mrs. Bred.

The TG/trans intentionally confuse and conflate gender with bio sex - It's part of how ya'll try and get over on people, especially people who aren't well informed.

Whatcha say we demystify your disingenuous rhetoric.....


gender vs. sex

Definition: The distinction between gender and sex is the distinction between socially and culturally created roles on the one side (gender) - and the biological categories of male/female on the other side (sex). This distinction is generally used to highlight the existence of disparities in how power is distributed in societies.

http://atheism.about.com/library/glossary/general/bldef_gender.htm

female relates to bio sex ----- woman relates to gender ----- wbw = gender obsessed transvestite.

In any case Mr. Bred, you're still a male in a dress. You can priss and preen 'til the cows come home, you can buy 100 pairs of grandma shoes - you're still a male in a dress performing a gender construct. No amount of cosmetic surgery will ever change that. Stop those hormones and, voila, all that male biology pops out of hiding.... Hormones and SRS are symptom management --- there is no cure for GID.

[Gynophile]

Here ya go Mr. Bred, 'cause your a lady.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA_-PuR3JHw&feature=related

[Brenda]

[Gynophile]

[char]

posted by Bred

[Gynophile]

Bred's talkin' faux scientific again.

His childhood "female essence" myth is bound to follow .....

Doesn't it make ya all tingly - like ya got a hairy caterpillar crawlin' down yer spine.....

Ya know, him knowing what it's like to be female at age 3, 4 5, whatever.

Autogynophiles are the anointed ones - they know what it's like to be female even before actual females know. It's magical, I tell you. It's probably the voices in their heads; they tell them all about it. Yep, those autogynophiles just know these things. They never have to live as a female, go through puberty, menstruate, go through socialization as a young woman or adult - they just know these things.

It does make it difficult to understand why they need these things:

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